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How I Struggled with and Overcame Japanese Grammar — 38 Comments

  1. It was like this article was written perfectly for me. I do enjoy learning Kanji and Vocab, but learning grammar is the thorn in all my joy. Thanks for the tips, I’ma give dis a try.

  2. I wouldn’t say everyone hates grammar. I personally love every time I learn new grammar, whether from a textbook, class, native speaker or native resource. Especially so when I learn it naturally from a native resource. Sometimes when you hear something again and again in context from multiple sources (music, manga, drama, etc.) it suddenly makes sense. For me, I never had to look up the conjugation ~ず when I started coming across it, because it just made sense, maybe from exposure to it in multiple contexts.

    Googling is really good advice, as grammar cannot be looked up in a J-J dictionary, googling is the next step. Most often Japanese people also are curious about the nuances of grammar, especially when comparing to another grammar form and when to use each, so for people who have switched to J-J that can be insightful.

    • Good advice. I’m not personally proficient enough to be able to understand many Japanese-language articles and discussions, so I wouldn’t know, but it sounds like that would be a great resource as well. Do you just type the desired word/phrase into google.co.jp and find what you want there?

      • You will get there though!

        I usually type the phrase and then の意味 after it. Or if I want to compare two different words 「A」と「B]の違い.

  3. A healthy mix of the two is definitely the best way. A grammar point that you read about in a book might not click until you see it 10 or 20 times out in the wild, and something that you have read many times in manga might not make sense until you actually read an explanation for it. And there are some things (counting, verb conjugations, etc) that are just much easier to learn from a book, rather than trying to pick them up by immersing yourself. I think though that knowing instinctively when to use each kind of grammar is something that can only really come from exposing yourself to a lot of natural Japanese and hopefully having someone to correct you when you’re wrong.

    Once your language skills are at a certain level (you can use monolingual dictionaries, etc), I would recommend getting a Japanese grammar dictionary that is written in Japanese. Ones written in English can be a bit limited (they might not cover unusual uses of stuff), so a good Japanese one is useful. Also a Japanese person you can ask millions of questions to always comes in handy.

    • A Japanese-language grammar dictionary would be nice to have. A lot of the nuances just can’t be communicated well in English; I’ve spent enough time in J-J to know that. Asking other Japanese people is another great method as well, and they can usually explain it in much simpler terms as well. They’re usually happy to help.

          • Ha, it’s kind of similar to the English difference between “love” and “in love.”

            My favorite Japanese explanation is the meaning is based on the placement of the heart (心) kanji. Whether it’s in the middle (真心) or at the bottom (下心)

      • They’re usually happy to help, unless the person in question is your husband and you’ve already asked him about 50 times within the last hour. Hehe.

        • Yeah, I think 2 years of asking random questions repeatedly to my wife has taken its toll. Usually she just says 「もー、めんどくさい。」So 90% of the time I just have to fend for myself…

  4. I don’t think I ever “studied” grammar at all. I just did a lot of sentences and listening, and reading and I have pretty good grammar now. Apparently people say I don’t make mistakes or that I write “flawlessly” so that’s good enough for me, haha.

  5. Actually, I accidentally came across the usefulness for using google as a better dictionary. Yahoo jisho wasn’t working with the phrase, so I thought, what the heck. I searched for “そのとおり” and google automatically added “英語”, leading me to various japanese forums directed for japanese people polishing their english.
    I do agree with the article, that grasping grammar should have plenty of real-world exposure with some grammar explanations. This is essentially how English was taught to me. Consistently reviewing grammar we have been hearing, leads to near native judgments, like “it sounds funny”, or “that’s something someone from x-place or y-place would say”.

  6. Great article by the way, I was recently thinking to myself should I start studying a bit more grammar…
    I am half way through genki book 2, and I can read and understand it all, but give me a random verb and ask me to conjugate it… thats another story…

    I wonder how many anki cards it takes to have enough exposeure to enough grammar to just ‘get it’ without even realising.. I can only assume its at the 5-6k mark…

    • It’s different for each person. Right now, I can conjugate nearly every verb without thinking and I’m around the ~2k Anki mark. For conjugations, it really helps to write and speak Japanese which will force you to conjugate your own verbs. I know when to put a は and when to put a が or an を most of the time without thinking about it. Of course there’s still other parts I still mess up a lot. Sometimes I put a の between words that don’t need it, a で where there should be a に, and other more complicated mishaps. I wouldn’t put a number to it. I think it’s something that will happen without you even noticing it.

  7. I think using clozes instead of plain sentence cards really helps as well. It forces you to actually know the right particle or conjugation rather than just glossing it over once you know the meaning of your sentence.

    This is especially helpful for passing JLPT N1 which finally has some real relevance now. (In fact maybe Adshap should update his article about that now that it’s part of the highly skilled foreign professional visa.)

      • The idea is to take a point of grammar (e.g. a は, が or anything else you get regularly confused with) and wrap cloze delete tags around it, which hides it until you flip over the card. Then you have to answer what’s supposed to be in the blank before you flip over the card. Here’s how to pull it off in Anki: http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#cloze-deletion

        • I have read the AJATT website a few times. I still don’t really see how a MCD is any different from a normal cloze delete though? I have a deck of roughly 2000 cards from the new version of the ‘Understanding Basic Japanese Grammar’ textbook (its actually the new version of the book recommended on AJATT) all typed out with voice added and ready to go once I have finished Genki book 2. I am thinking of just cloze deleting all of the particles and smashing through it at like 200 cards a day (because I should know most of the grammar already) just to reinforce what I may have missed, and force me to not gloss over the particles.

          • They’re about the same, but the emphasis of MCDs are the context. The idea is if you have a lot of context around the part/grammar you’re clozing, it’ll be easier to understand what’s missing.

        • What does the plugin do? Doesn’t Anki 2 already support cloze deletes?

          Yeah, Khaz from AJATT is the biggest proponent of them. I don’t think he really explains it very well, though.

          • The plugin is a less manual process. Instead of highlighting each thing you want to close you give it the whole text and what closes you want and how you want them processed. It’s really just a workflow thing and it still uses the close support built in to Anki 2.

    • I haven’t personally given them a try yet, but I’ve heard lots of praise for them. A lot of times I do skip over particles and other miscellaneous hiragana without even completely understanding them, so cloze deletes can be quite valuable.

  8. Hi,Eric!!!

    I’m glad to read your great article!!!

    You are so talented for writing article!!!

    I like your articles!!!

    By the way, my son whose name RIKU have also been learning Japanese at elementary school.

    He is 6 years old yet, and he can’t write and read “kanji” and difficult japanese words.

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  9. grammar is my strongest skill, I reach the point when almost everything that require some thinking was already done and I just need to continue to learn word like a little a happy little robot (yeah). It used to be the worst, I was convince the my grammar would appear naturally with the input like all those nihongo blogger say but this simply didn’t happened. And then, a good bad thing happened, I smashed my laptop and it broken :( I was giving my ass to anki thinking that it was the definitive solution but without it, I decided to give a try to Tae Kim, I downloaded the pdf version of his guide on my 兼帯 and started reading, although the immersion didn’t give the grammar it give familiarity, in every new topic I felt like “ah! and that’s why I see they saying that in that phrase!” and automatically “get it” forgeting wasn’t a problem since every time i read something or did reps I saw the grammar I learned in real life, it was very cool to fully understand the phrases that you input months ago but only got a general idea of the meaning thanks to the vocab

  10. First step when you want to learn a language : open up your mind.
    Once you’ve done that, you’ll have an easier time understanding (and accepting) that the language you’re learning works differently. Only then, you’ll have a chance.

    //Yeah.. calling grammar lovers liars might help you with your frustration but as for myself, I felt very offended

    • “Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

      Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring.

      The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”

      “Like this cup,” Nan-in said, “you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?””

      Blatantly stolen from here:
      http://www.myrkothum.com/the-10-very-best-zen-stories/

    • Sorry to offend. I was just trying to be funny, which I don’t succeed too often at :) I never really hated grammar myself, but I never found it particularly interesting. It is fun piecing it all together, though.

  11. そうです、日本語文法のほうが漢字より難しいと思います^^
    I think japanese grammer more difficult than kanji

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  13. I got Japanese the Manga Way as a present from my parents when I was in elementary school, haha. At the time I thought “great, a dumbed-down grammar book targeted at otakus” and didn’t read much of it, but I rediscovered it at the end of high school and I agree, it’s a fantastic book. Walks you from nothing up to complicated grammar through native materiel in small, easy-to-understand chunks. Exactly how you should learn grammar.

  14. Thanks! I’m about to pick up a copy of “Japanese the Manga Way” as you suggested. I’m excited!

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