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Introduction to Jalup NEXT — 25 Comments

  1. I’m a longtime J-learner, and I vastly prefer Next to Anki. A problem I had with the Anki version of JALUP decks wasn’t just forgetting words I had learned in earlier cards, it was also with some particle usage that is just plain slippery–don’t get me started on と! The card linking feature is a real game changer, especially in the definition field of J-J cards. I can honestly say that my J-J comprehension has increased dramatically, thanks to Next.

  2. I’m one of those people who was completely intimidated by Anki and avoided it. I started JalupNext as a total beginner, purely out of curiosity because it looked easy. Now I’m hooked!

    I love the clickable card linking (I sure use it a lot). It’s so much fun, now I’m dreaming every night in Japanese. I don’t even spend that much time learning with it (20 minutes 3 X a day, after every meal), but my progress is beyond what I thought I could ever do.

  3. I’m about 2/3 of the way through the beginner deck, and I have to say this is much nicer than my previous (failed) attempts to make decks in Anki. I think the part about Anki that caused me problems was the linking between cards – I was putting too much new information on each card, and not referencing back enough to older cards. I never would have made several cards with the different inflections of the same verb, for instance! I also think there is a huge issue in Anki that the initial recurrence intervals are way too long. If you are just learning a new card, the options are basically “fail” and “three days later”, then “six days later”, etc. With Jalup Next it has shorter intervals at the start before pushing it too far away.

    That said, I was practicing the sentences around my fiancee (who is Japanese). She thought that some of the phrasing is not how a real Japanese person would say things, and perhaps way too pessimistic and negative. As an example, card 598, where the person is a bit scared of getting married, he says 怖い, but apparently this type of scary only refers to being scared of ghosts. She say 心配 is a better word to use. I guess the goal is to learn grammar, though, so maybe this is a nitpick.

    Keep up the great work, I will be purchasing further decks. I’m hoping to be good enough to hold a conversation by the end of the year!

    • I’m glad to hear you are enjoying NEXT.

      Some amount of Japanese found in Jalup Beginner is spoken Japanese. The type you hear in conversations. Because they are separated one sentence at a time, without being connected to others, it may sometimes feel out of context (as there is no previous/after context). Then on top of this, in the very beginning, the vocabulary I can use is limited. So I have no choice to work with some words (when I would rather use others). This disappears the further you go. But trust me, sounds way better than the 私の名前は____です you find in some textbooks.

      However, 怖い is not just used for scary things like ghosts. It is used for feelings of uncertainty and worry (and especially used more so like this in spoken Japanese).

      From the dictionary: http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/83114/meaning/m0u/
      2 悪い結果がでるのではないかと不安で避けたい気持ちである。「かけ事は―・いからしない」「あとが―・い」

      As for there being a pessimistic or negative sentence, life can’t always be positive, and people worry, especially when they talk :)

      But always feel free to e-mail me about any issues you might be having or problems you might find with a sentence.

  4. My understanding of the series is that the focus is on input, listening and reading. Output comes through exposure to the language through immersion. Each sentence in the series is just one example of how a word may be used. Immersion is where it all comes together, you learn how words are used in native speech/writing. With enough exposure, you are then able to produce natural sounding sentences yourself.

    Oh and I love the occasional negativeness/pessimism! This world is real…

    • It focuses on input, but there is output as long as you read the sentences out loud. However, this won’t make you a conversation master, it will just improve your ability to say words and sentences. As you said, immersion is what takes full stage for that.

      And this world needs to be real haha.

  5. This seems pretty cool. Is there any planned time frame for when the Advanced/Expert decks will appear on NEXT or is it a case of when-it’s-done?

    • Advanced is about 90% finished. It should be out in the next week or so as long as there are no major delays with the next update.

      Expert will be started as soon as this next update comes out. It’s 2,000 cards, so I don’t have any time-estimate just yet.

  6. Wooo! This looks quite interesting. This is just the thing to get my Japanese back on track. I’ll check it out.

  7. Ok I’ve been trying it out the past few days. All I can say is: addicting! I’m here to stay. Thanks for making this!
    A quick question:
    Should I still be using XP Navi with this, or is it more or less unnecessary now that we have a built in level system with JALUP NEXT?
    Or does that come down to personal preference? :p

  8. Hello! Are there plans to release smartphone apps (particularly on the Android platform) for JALUP Next anytime soon? I’m an intermediate speaker (deep into JLPT N3 material) and I recently discovered JALUP and am excited by the intermediate J-J Anki decks. (I’ve been studying on my own and–sadly–have a habit of a J-E-J thought process, so I like the idea of pre-made material that is only J-J.) JALUP Next looks great from my brief tutorial, but the convenience of Anki on my phone is holding me back from starting JALUP Next instead of the regular JALUP Anki decks. (I already use Anki for ~1 hour a day thanks to the convenience of my phone, and it’s hard to imagine studying at a computer.) Thank you!

    • It’s not quite an app, but the Jalup Next website works really well on a phone web browser. It’s optimized quite nicely. I use Next pretty much exclusively from my phone and tablet

      • The main problem I have with the mobile Version of Next is that my Internet connection on my phone is usually a bit shaky. Which requires a lot of reloading the page.

        Thus having the offline abilities of Anki would step up the game a lot.
        I can see why people would prefer using Anki then, dispite Next being superior when it comes to the learningprocess

        • Yeah, this is basically me. I live in the middle of nowhere in Scotland; there just isn’t always internet and I need to make my reviews as easy for me to do as possible. Plus, I have anki decks I’ve made myself for other subjects/languages so having all my decks in one place is just more convenient.

          I’m almost tempted to code my own version of anki which makes card-linking possible but, actually, that’s way too much effort honestly.

  9. I’ve been using NEXT since the start now – and I still prefer it over Anki, but I have do feel like the reviews are much harder on there than on Anki.
    And since I’ve added the add-on loadbalancer onto my Anki it feels even more extreme.
    I just feel like I’m reviewing way more in NEXT and that there are quite more ‘peakdays’ – days where you have a lot more reviews than on your average day.

    I don’t know if it just me feeling that way, though

    • No you are not alone on this. I love using NEXT as well, but I feel that the intervals are on the short side. From use I estimate that they are 12hours, 1day, 2 days, 4 days in the beginning, which significantly increases workload.

      Considering that I add about 25 cards/day (10 kanji / 15 intermediate) and that my %correct is very high on the intermediate cards (~98% because I am redoing the whole set after learning them in Anki), I still get review loads of ~200 cards on some days. That does seem a bit excessive. Luckily they can be reviewed per set (kanji/beginner/intermediate) so that I can split the reviews up into sessions, otherwise I would burn out very quickly.

      I would prefer to have some control over the intervals used.
      In addition, a way to identify and suspend leeches would also be very welcome.

      That being said, I am still a big fan of the system and the interlinking cards makes learning and reviewing of J-J much easier than in Anki.

      • I agree that the review load seems excessive when adding a lot per day–like you, I started over again with Next after having been through Intermediate once before with the Jalup Anki deck. However, as time has worn on with each card, I have found the review intervals to be just right for me, at least for the more challenging cards. It’s a bit of a pain in the early review phases, but it pays off later on, resulting in fewer forgotten items.

        Yup, the card linking feature is where the magic is! :D

        • But that is the thing.. 25 cards/day is not really that much – considering the standards here and elsewhere :D I think a lot of people consider a good amount of 20 new cards/day as a good way of doing things, but yea, with the reviews now I can’t handle that.

          That being said , yea the linking feature and the whole setup of NEXT makes up for this, but it is still bothering me >.<

          • I can’t really speak for Next as I have not used the platform personally. With regards to SRS in general, perhaps be less stringent with your review criteria.

            As mentioned above, an exposure to a larger volume of content is ideal for language learning. I wouldn’t aim for perfection with Next, the gist or even a sound understanding is adequate to ‘pass’ a card. You will reinforce these unclear expressions through immersion.

            By lowering your review count through lenient marking criteria you will be able to introduce more sentences per day and increase immersion time substantially (by far the most important aspect of your learning process). There are a lot of experienced JALUP users who have had greater success with this method.

  10. Question for you; I signed up for Jalup Next and plan to test it out when I have time (a.k.a when I don’t have midterms, so hopefully soon). You said there was an app; is it for Android, or IOS, or both? if it’s the former, I can’t seem to locate it on the play store.

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